General Elements of the Universe – Properties of Matter / Question #34

#34 Have the molecules of matter a determinate form ?

#34 - Have the molecules of matter a determinate form

“Those molecules undoubtedly have a form, but one which is not appreciable by your organs.”

– Is that form constant or variable ?

“Constant for the primitive elementary molecules, but variable for the secondary molecules, which are themselves only agglomerations of the primary ones; for what you term a molecule is still very far from being the elementary molecule.”

These questions and answers are funny to read today, human has thought of theories and drawings not only to understand the atoms and molecules, but also to teach them. After a quick research, we have noticed that the first real picture of matter at such scale was taken by IBM corporation in 2009, the picture above. Very late!

And yet, we had this answer in both this book and scientists’ theories. As Spirits precise here, the primitive substance (that they call molecules here, problem of vocabulary we would say) are constant. From this substance we get the atoms which are variable since they depend on the former substance. Same for molecules with atoms.

Moreover, we have a tiny clue here: “for what you term a molecule is still very far from being the elementary molecule”. Now we know that there is atom itself before molecule, and then protons, neutrons and electrons; and in those are quarks. We talked about this in a little more details in the question #30 : https://wordpress.com/post/thespiritsbookblog.wordpress.com/1108

So, we are still very far fro this elementary substance. At that time there was not so many concrete conclusions; now we now much more, would these Superior Spirits say we are still far from this Substance? we are definitely closer.

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General Elements of the Universe – Properties of Matter / Question #33

#33 Is the same elementary matter susceptible of undergoing all possible modifications and of acquiring all possible qualities ?

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“Yes; and it is, this fact which is implied in the saying that everything is in everything.”

– Does not this theory appear to bear out the opinion of those who admit only two essential properties of matter, viz., force and movement, and who regard all the other Properties of matter as being merely secondary effects of these, varying according to the intensity of the force and the direction of the movement ?

“That opinion is correct. But you must also add, according to the mode of molecular arrangement, as you see exemplified, for instance, in an opaque body, that may become transparent, and vice versa.”

Another way to ask the previous questions; the primitive matter can turn into unions that will be good for some organs and bad for others. So everything is in everything since every matter is created based on the primitive matter; no matter what results it looks like. Find the way to directly edit the combination of the primitive matter and you can turn a matter into something else.

But we still don’t know the limits of such an action. Maybe one day we will be able to reach this primitive substance; but if we do so, can we change it completely? Spirits answer at the second question that it affects the movement, the force and the opacity of the matter.

Which can lead us to think about these movies and series with “alien” material that can turn from opaque into invisible. If such thing exists in reality, that could be from a simple but still complicated for us, change of the primitive substance.

Here is the comment of the author:
Oxygen, hydrogen, azote, carbon and all the other bodies which we regard as simple, are only modifications of one primitive substance. But the impossibility, in which we have hitherto found ourselves, of arriving at this primitive matter otherwise than as an intellectual deduction, causes these bodies to appear to us to be really elementary and we may, therefore, without Impropriety, continue for the present to regard them as such.

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General Elements of the Universe – Properties of Matter / Question 32

#32 According to this view of the subject, savors, odors, colors, sounds, the poisonous or salutary qualities of bodies, are only results of modifications of one and the same primitive substance ?

#32 - According to this view of the subject, savors, odors, colors, sounds, the poisonous or salutary qualities of bodies, are only results of modifications of one and the same primitive substance

“Yes, undoubtedly; and that only exist in virtue of the disposition of the organs destined to perceive them.”

It indeed makes lots of sense; matter is different based on how the primitive substance orders itself. So from these unions you have different results of matter, and so, logically, different colors, odors, be bad or good for the body etc…

As the Spirits here precise, the perception of the matter also depends on the organs! A cat won’t see the same colors as us, and an animal can eat that plant, if a human do, he would die. Organs are different and perceive the matter differently; but the matter remains the same composition of that primitive substance.

Here is the comment of the author:
This principle is proved by the fact that the qualities of bodies are not perceived by all persons in the same manner. The same thing appears agreeable to the taste of one person, and disagreeable to that of another. What appears blue to one person appears red to another. That which is a poison for some, is wholesome for others.

We then have two actors regarding the matter: the composition of the primitive matter and the organs that perceive that matter.

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General Elements of the Universe – Properties of Matter / Question #31

#31 Whence come the different properties of matter ?

#31 - Whence come the different properties of matter

“From the modifications undergone by the elementary molecules, as the results of their union and of the action of certain conditions.”

As we said in the previous article, the primitive element get modified and differ from unions with each other; quartz maybe. To these unions and simple modifications are added “action of certain conditions”; which means the different properties of matter depend on more than a modification of the primitive element only.

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General Elements of the Universe – Properties of Matter / Question #30

#30 Is matter formed of one element or of several elements ?

#30 - Is matter formed of one element or of several elements

“Of one primitive element. The bodies which you regard as simple are not really elementary; they are transformations of the primitive matter.”

One primitive matter; which ends, through transformations, to all the different matter as we know. Things are made of molecules, which are combinations of atoms. Now when we split the atoms we know that it is made of 3 different elements: protons, neutrons, and electrons. Protons and neutrons are made of quarks and electrons are made of spinons and orbitons (source: https://www.psi.ch)

According to Superior Spirits here, there is ONE primitive element at the end; something that its combination will start to show evidence of different matters. Scientists say quarks are the tiniest element; if it is true, we have then the primitive element from which we create protons and neutrons; with the electrons we have the atoms and then molecules; matter we know, see, touch.

But can we be sure? Or course not, we surely lack of technology to split even tinier to finally find the primitive element from which matter is created regarding how this element combines itself.

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General Elements of the Universe – Properties of Matter / Question #29

#29 Is density an essential attribute of matter ?

#29 - Is density an essential attribute of matter

“Yes, of matter as understood by you, but not of matter considered as the universal fluid. The ethereal and subtle matter which forms this fluid is imponderable for you, and yet it is none the less the principle of your ponderable matter.”

As we understood previously, matter is the element of the universe; but so does the universal fluid. The latter is matter from the Spirits’ point of view; but it is too subtle for us to see it. However, this universal fluid can have many attributes and can be electricity, then we can see it perfectly thanks to the Tesla towers for example. But still, “our” matter, the one we live around all the time, “understood by us” is dense.

Here is the comment of the author
Density is a relative property. Beyond the sphere of attraction of the various globes of the universe, there is no such thing as “weight”, just as there is neither “up” nor “down.”

Weight, up and down only happen with dense matter which is visible in the universe on various planets, starts etc… If we only had universal fluid around us; if we were now spirits without the dense human body. What would be the up, the down, how much would we weight?

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General Elements of the Universe – Spirit and Matter / Question #28

#28 Since spirit itself is something, would it not be more correct and clearer to designate these two general elements by the terms inert matter and intelligent matter ?

#28 - Since spirit itself is something, would it not be more correct and clearer to designate these two general elements by the terms inert matter and intelligent matter

“Questions of words are of little importance for us. It is for you to formulate your definitions in such manner as to make yourselves intelligible to one another. Your disputes almost always arise from the want of a common agreement in the use of the words you employ, owing to the incompleteness of your language in regard to all that does not strike your senses.”

It seems like Spirits don’t lose time nor fight together to understand each other regarding words and vocabulary. But we, as humans, use languages, written and spoken to understand each other; and it is then important to designate things correctly. But elements of universe can have different words to designate them; matter as inert matter and spirit as intelligent matter, that makes sense. We could also add universal fluid as bestial matter maybe?

Spirits here point out that our human dispute arise from a vocabulary matter while we actually talk about the same thing at the end.

Here is the comment of the author:
One fact, patent to all observers, dominates all our hypotheses. We see matter which is not intelligent: we see the action of an intelligent principle independent of matter. The origin and connection of these two things are unknown to us. Whether they have, or have not a common source. and points of contact pre-ordained in the nature of things. Whether intelligence has an independent existence of its own or is only a property or an effect, or even whether it is (as some assume it to be) an emanation of the Divinity, are points about which we know nothing. Matter and intelligence appear to us to be distinct; and we therefore speak of them as being two constituent elements of the universe. We see, above these, a higher intelligence which governs all things, and is distinguished from them all by essential attributes peculiar to itself; It is this Supreme Intelligence that we call God.

Or that we like to call the Universe.

This article ends the sub-chapter Spirit and Matter.

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General Elements of the Universe – Spirit and Matter / Question #27

#27 There are, then, two general elements of the universe mater and spirit ?

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“Yes; and above them both is God, the Creator, Parent of all things. These three elements are the principle of all that exists-the universal trinity. But to the material element must be added the universal fluid which plays the part of intermediary between spirit and matter, the nature of the latter being too gross for spirit to be able to act directly upon it although, from another point of view, this fluid may be classed as forming part of the material element, it is, nevertheless, distinguished from that element by certain special properties of its own. If it could be classed simply and absolutely as matter, there would be no reason why spirit also should not be classed as matter. It is intermediary between spirit and matter. It is fluid, just as matter is matter, and is susceptible of being made, through its innumerable combinations with matter, under the directing action of spirit, to produce the infinite variety of things of which you know as yet but a very small portion. This universal, primitive, or elementary fluid, being the agent employed by spirit in acting upon matter is the principle without which matter would remain for ever in a state of division, and would never acquire the properties given to it by the state of ponderability.”

– Is this fluid what we designate by the name of electricity?

“We have said that it is susceptible of innumerable combinations. What you call the electric fluid, the magnetic fluid, etc., are modifications of the universal fluid, which, properly speaking, is only matter of a more perfect and more subtle kind, and that may be considered as having an independent existence of its own.”

There are then three general elements in the universe. God, matter and spirit; and between spirit and matter, we can almost talk about a fourth element. What is it? The universal fluid; known as the electricity for example, but also as magnetic fluid and many other modifications of the universal fluid that we don’t know about yet.

This universal fluid is what Nikola Tesla is talking about in this quote:
The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence.”

Science indeed began to investigate such “matter” and we will have much more answers and things to talk about. Now we have these answers of Superior Spirits, but also our own experience as human beings. Yes we do have a body, yes we do have a soul inside that keep living after the body dies, and before we were born. But between the matter and the spirit, between our body and our soul, like Spirits say here, there is something, the universal fluid. This Energy that you gain when taking rest and that you lose when you are very tired, or even dying.

As Spirits say here, “the nature of the latter being too gross for spirit to be able to act directly upon it although”, latter is the matter; so the spirit has to interact with the matter through universal fluid.

You can read much more about this Energy not only in us, but around all of us, in our environment. You can learn to handle it very easily and use it as a form of meditation and as a lesson to understand the Universe better. All this is easy to find on internet; we might write a full article about it and the experience we had while handling it. We indeed self-learned how to stop insomnia thanks to it, how to meditate very deeply, how to decrease/increase feelings such as anger, happiness etc…

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General Elements of the Universe – Spirit and Matter / Question #26

#26 Can spirit be conceived of without matter, and matter without spirit ?

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“Undoubtedly, as objects of thought.”

Their union is necessary, just for us; for our sens. Therefore, those don’t need to merge or anything. They are totally different from one another. So there is no doubt in the being of matter itself or spirit itself.

But the Superior Spirits here say that spirit and matter can be without having to be in union, “as objects of thought.” What do they mean? We might understand this for the spirit, as the intelligent part of the universe, spirit is, just is, as thoughts. Since there is no matter to distinct it; then may it be thoughts?

And about the matter, without the union of the spirit; how can it be thought since there is then no intelligence? They were maybe only taking about the spirit, and not the matter anymore even though they mention it in the question.

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General Elements of the Universe – Spirit and Matter / Question #25

#25 Is spirit independent of matter, or is it only one of the properties of matter, as colors are a property of light, and as sound is a property of the air ?

 

#25 - Is spirit independent of matter, or is it only one of the properties of matter, as colors are a property of light, and as sound is a property of the air

“Spirit and matter are distinct from one another; but the union of spirit and matter is necessary to give intelligent activity to matter.”

 – Is this union equally necessary to the manifestation of spirit? (We refer, in this question, to the principle of intelligence, abstractly considered, without reference to the individualities designated by that term.)

“It is necessary for you, because you are not organized for perceiving spirit apart from matter. Your senses are not formed for that order of perception.”

This question is extremely important, is spirit “alive”, being, when it is not attached to matter? Or is it just a property? Colors are attached to the light, and sound is attached to the air. So is spirit attached to matter? No.

Spirit is not the matter itself, it is not its property. However, the union of both is needed so the spirit can interact with the matter.

It means this union is necessary for the spirit to manifest through matter; this allows us to perceive spirit’s action since we perceive matter.

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